land we seek is first found in the heart, then in the mind,
then in the world
The Word, Letters, Introductions, News
Many will say that this has been a long year. It has been a long eight years as far as I am concerned. I have been archiving news regarding our nation's current administration and it has been a great deal of work. I had, originally, thought that this work would produce a book or that I'd help create a climate of change. I don't think that I had a great deal to do with the former and thought the book may be possible, I don't know that I have the will to see that through.
I hope that this world will find its way to a more peaceful state, that human kind find its way to the heart of life and then live from that perspective. I pray for paace.
As to this project, I hope to put in more effort in exploring places that are relatively near to hand, to meet with people as opportunities arise and am considering online meetings again.
Let me kwo what you think about online meetings. I'd like to hear from people so that we can work this aspect of making progress out.
Thank you for all your patience and care
I updated some of the information on our profile at the F.I.C..'s website. No major changes just some odds and ends.
The directory: http://directory.ic.org/
Again, seasons bet from us both, Wendy and Dan
An overview of what we'd like:
Community of Light
We want to co-create a community in a rural area, grow a good portion of our own food, create a profitable cottage industries, and so be self employed. We would keep well the land that we live on and engage in right livelihood. We also want to contribute to the community around us and so benefit our society. Ideally, we would want to be near enough to a good sized town maybe some 50,000 or so, a college community would be something to consider. We could each use our talents, abilities, or professions to provide for ourselves as well extent help to others.
You are all welcome to express your ideas about what our community should be. We are, after all, the persons who will make it up.
There are a lot of ideas that we've discussed but I want everyone to know that what is or has been in issues are meant as working concepts. This whole idea is a work in progress and so let us know what you think.
If you have not been to the Community of Lights web page we now have a listing of communities that are forming. It may be educational to visit some of those sites to see what's new in the community universe See the links at: Community of Light
Thanks, Dan and Wendy
Email Address: firstname.lastname@example.org
Lisa Lee .......... Liserxxxxx@aim.com
I'd like be on your mailing list! I was just wondering, what is the age group like in this community? I'd love to move into a commune, but will probably not be able to do so for another year (maybe). How much would it cost to live there? Please let me know. Thanks! Lis
nathan bennett .......... email@example.com
My name is Nathan Bennett, and I found your community on the internet today. I was actually searching for near-by retreats or communities that are currently forming and need support.
We've had none since the last newsletter went ouit.
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Just for your information's sake:
Here is an organization, California Farm Link, which attempts to match aspiring farmers with landowners. I've filled out and sent in the questionnaire
They operate mostly in northern California, and I've seen some listings of interest. If we are able to get a match for a farm, we could likely negotiate a sharecrop rental until we got our businesses going, then buy the land on doable payment terms.
Jim Miller .......... firstname.lastname@example.org
President-elect Obama's Transition team is inviting Americans from every walk of life to share their stories, experiences, and ideas. So go to this lin: if you'd might like to share your ideas, too:
Gary . email@example.com
I like the Amish plan. They pool money and purchase cheap farmland. They live off the land and trade amongst themselves.
When you work for yourself, you can take time off for things. You stay busy at your home and you can manage your time. A community work project will be necessary for income.
The Amish have their own horses and carriages. They raise the grain to feed the horses and cows. They heat, cook, and light the house with wood or propane and kerosene. They do use kerosene/propane refrigerators and no one has electricity. They do use fuel/air-powered tools in their workshops. The do not participate in social security so never fully retire.
Farmers from the past generation used to get much more sleep and have more leisure time than most workers get today. The lower third of people have been forced to live on less because their good paying jobs have gone away.
There is something wrong with the economy. Your bank account might earn 1% interest while inflation is 6% or higher, so you loose money by saving. Interest rates are expected to decrease again soon, but people are tapped out. We need to stop borrowing and get back to work making the things Americans need.
Community Forming and Land Opportunities
james two eagles .......... firstname.lastname@example.org
OK, here's the ic-list which is or means-intentional communities list and their are 3,000 in this country living better lives as well, Health-er and better education. but you go on check out our Page. This link will put on the page which is very self explanatory.
God vs. Science (part one)
'Let me explain the problem science has with religion.' The atheist professor of philosophy pauses before his class and then asks one of his new students to stand.
'You're a Christian, aren't you, son?'
"Yes sir,' the student says.
'So you believe in God?'
'Is God good?'
'Sure! God's good.'
'Is God all-powerful? Can God do anything?'
'Are you good or evil?'
'The Bible says I'm evil.'
The professor grins knowingly. 'Aha! The Bible!' He considers for a moment. 'Here's one for you. Let's say there's a sick person over here and you can cure him. You can do it. Would you help him? Would you try?'
'Yes sir, I would.'
'So you're good...!'
'I wouldn't say that.'
'But why not say that? You'd help a sick and maimed person if you could. Most of us would if we could. But God doesn't.'
The student does not answer, so the professor continues. 'He doesn't, does he? My brother was a Christian who died of cancer, even though he prayed to Jesus to heal him. How is this Jesus good? Hmmm? Can you answer that one?'
The student remains silent.
'No, you can't, can you?' the professor says. He takes a sip of water from a glass on his desk to give the student time to relax.
'Let's start again, young fella. Is God good?'
'Er..yes,' the student says
'Is Satan good?
The student doesn't hesitate on this one. 'No.'
'Then where does Satan come from?'
The student falters. 'From God'
'That's right. God made Satan, didn't he? Tell me, son. Is there evil in this world?'
'Evil's everywhere, isn't it? And God did make everything correct??
'So who created evil?' The professor continued, 'If God created everything, then God created evil, since evil exists, and according to the principle that our works define who we are, then God is evil.'
Again, the student has no answer. 'Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things, do they exist in this world?'
The student squirms on his feet. 'Yes.'
'So who created them?'
The student does not answer again, so the professor repeats his question. 'Who created them?' There is still no answer. Suddenly the lecturer breaks away to pace in front of the classroom. The class is mesmerized. 'Tell me,' he continues onto another student.
'Do you believe in Jesus Christ, son?
The student's voice betrays him and cracks. 'Yes, professor, I do.'
The old man stops pacing. 'Science says you have five senses you use to identify and observe the world around you. Have you ever seen Jesus?'
'No sir. I've never seen Him.'
'Then tell us if you've ever heard your Jesus?'
'No, sir, I have not.'
'Have you ever felt your Jesus, tasted your Jesus or smelled your Jesus? Have you ever had any sensory perception of Jesus Christ, or God for that matter?'
'No, sir, I'm afraid I haven't.'
'Yet you still believe in him?'
'According to the rules of empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol, science says your God doesn't exist. What do you say to that, son?'
'Nothing,' the student replies. 'I only have my faith.'
'Yes, faith,' the professor repeats. 'And that is the problem science has with God. There is no evidence, only faith.'
The student stands quietly for a moment, before asking a question of His own. 'Professor, is there such thing as heat?'
A very easy way to give food to the hungry is to set the Hunger Site as your browser's home page. Check out the Hunger Site to see what it is about and how it works.
If you want to research intentional communities this is a good place to start.
Communities Magazine comes out regularly and is a resource for those seeking to explore communities. The directory that is a great primer in the variety of the community universe. You can write them at the address given below. This is their office address.
Communities Magazine, 138 Twin Oaks Road, Louisa VA 23093 USA or call them at: Tel/Fax: 540-894-5126. Their website is at Intentional Communities
The resources on the Northwest Intentional Communities site might be valuable. There are lists of legal documents, process advice etc. They're at: http://www.ic.org/nica/resource.htm
This list of places seeking members, communities forming and the like. It's at the F.I.C.'s website: http://directory.ic.org/iclist/
It might be a place to do research, who knows there may be a place within a relatively short drive.
My yahoo ID is available for use as a means to chat online. I am willing to schedule a time(s) during a given month where we could chat. I am thinking that a Saturday or Sunday would be the best time overall, however I am open to suggestions. Please advise.
If you are a member of our Yahoo group you can access the current polling data, or vote: this is the link to our group This is what we have at "press time"
Would you consider a location outside the United States?
the U.S. preferred 2 9%
on country chosen 5 22%
- no preference 2 9%
but not first choice 9 40%
consider outside U.S. 4 18%
Outside the U.S. preferred
depending on country chosen
Neutral - no preference
would but not first choice
NOT consider outside U.S.
Should we have a membership fee of some kind?
of entering members 5 27%
making capacity of the community 13 72%
Income of entering members
Money making capacity of the community
If we had an entry fee what should it be based upon?
of entering members 0 0%
of entering members 2 12%
making capacity of the community 2 12%
Other 4 25%
share buying system 8 50%
Number of entering members
Income of entering members
Money making capacity of the community
A share buying system
Areas or regions we'd like to consider: (See the site for details)
NM, W. Texas 0 0 Cent.
US: NB KS OK DA 0 0 G.
Lakes, AK, MO, IL, IN,WI, KY, TN 1 6% E. KY, E. TN, WVA,
W.VA, W.,PA, 2 13% G.
Coast, FL, LA, MS, AL 1 6 E. PA, NY, NH, VT,
CT, RH ME, MD 0 0 N.
Idaho 1 6 NW/W OR, W.
WA, 7 46% CA, NV, UT, E. OR,
E, WA, MT, CO, Wy 3 20%
AZ, NM, W. Texas
Cent. US: NB KS OK DA
G. Lakes, AK, MO, IL, IN,WI, KY, TN
E. KY, E. TN, WVA, W.VA, W.,PA,
G. Coast, FL, LA, MS, AL
E. PA, NY, NH, VT, CT, RH ME, MD
NW/W OR, W. WA,
CA, NV, UT, E. OR, E, WA, MT, CO, Wy
What kind of climate would you want to live in?
% Tropical 2 8% Subtropical
5 20% Forest
7 20% Woodland/meadow
10 41% Tundra 0 0%
What land locations would you like?
% Island 14 18%
Peninsula 11 14%
bound w/coast 15 19%
bound no coast 12 15%
altitude 13 16%
altitude 12 15%
Land bound w/coast
land bound no coast
What sorts of things would you want to use the land for?
20 13% Raising
livestock 14 9% Raising
feed crops 11 7% Hunting
6 4% Gathering
16 11% Fishing 14 Utilitarian
crops 10 6% Fruit
bearing trees 23 16% Lumber/milling
5 3% Water/solar
for alt. power 24 16%
Raising feed crops
Fruit bearing trees
Water/solar for alt. power
Would you consider a buy/sell/relationship with the outside world?
% Yes 23 100%
No 0 0%
God vs. Science (Continued)
'And is there such a thing as cold?'
'Yes, son, there's cold too.'
'No sir, there isn't.'
The professor turns to face the student, obviously interested.
The room suddenly becomes very quiet. The student begins to explain.
'You can have lots of heat, even more heat, super-heat, mega-heat, unlimited heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat, but we don't have anything called 'cold'. We can hit up to 458 degrees below zero, which is no heat, but we can't go any further after that. There is no such
thing as cold; otherwise we would be able to go colder than the lowest -458 degrees.'
'Every body or object is susceptible to study when it has or transmits energy, and heat is what makes a body or matter have or transmit energy. Absolute zero (-458 F) is the total absence of heat. You see, sir, cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of
heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat we can measure in thermal units because heat is energy.
Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it.'
Silence across the room. A pen drops somewhere in the classroom, sounding like a hammer.
'What about darkness, professor. Is there such a thing as darkness?'
'Yes,' the professor replies without hesitation. 'What is night if it isn't darkness?'
'You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is not something; it is the absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing light, but if you have no light constantly you have nothing and it's called darkness, isn't it? That's the meaning we use to define the word.'
'In reality, darkness isn't. If it were, you would be able to make darkness darker, wouldn't you?'
The professor begins to smile at the student in front of him. This will be a good semester. 'So what point are you making, young man?
'Yes, professor. My point is, your philosophical premise is flawed to start with, and so your conclusion must also be flawed.'
The professor's face cannot hide his surprise this time. 'Flawed? Can you explain how?'
'You are working on the premise of duality,' the student explains.. 'You argue that there is life and then there's death; a good God and a bad God. You are viewing the concept of God as something finite, something we can measure. Sir, science can't even explain a thought.'
'It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one. To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing. Death is not the opposite of life, just the absence of it.
'Now tell me, professor. Do you teach your students that they evolved from a monkey?'
'If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, young man, yes, of course I do.'
'Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?'
The professor begins to shake his head, still smiling, as he realizes where the argument is going. A very good semester, indeed.
'Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavor, are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you now not a scientist, but a preacher?'
The class is in uproar. The student remains silent until the commotion has subsided.
'To continue the point you were making earlier to the other student, let me give you an example of what I mean.'
The student looks around the room. 'Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the professor's brain?' The class breaks out into laughter.
'Is there anyone here who has ever heard the professor's brain, felt the professor's brain, touched or smelled the professor's brain? No one appears to have done so. So, according to the established rules of empirical, stable, demonstrable protocol, science says that you have no brain, with all due respect, sir.'
'So if science says you have no brain, how can we trust your lectures, sir?'
Now the room is silent. The professor just stares at the student, his face unreadable.
Finally, after what seems an eternity, the old man answers. 'I guess you'll have to take them on faith.'
'Now, you accept that there is faith, and, in fact, faith exists with life,' the student continues. 'Now, sir, is there such a thing as evil?'
Now uncertain, the professor responds, 'Of course, there is. We see it everyday It is in the daily example of man's inhumanity to man. It is in the multitude of crime and violence everywhere in the world. These manifestations are nothing else but evil.'
To this the student replied, 'Evil does not exist sir, or at least it does not exist unto itself. Evil is simply the absence of God. It is just like darkness and cold, a word that man has created to
describe the absence of God. God did not create evil. Evil is the result of what happens when man does not have God's love present in his heart. It's like the cold that comes when there is no heat or the darkness that comes when there is no light.'
The professor sat down.
The student was Albert Einstein. Albert Einstein did write a book titled God vs. Science in 1921..
If you read it all the way through and had a smile on your face when you finished, mail to your friends and family with the title 'God vs Science'.
Riddle Me This!
What is greater than God
More evil than the Devil
The poor have it
The rich need it
And if you eat it you die?