Copyright: June/2003
By Daniel Brady and Wendy Wolters

Community of Light's Newsletter # 18

Affirmation: The land we seek is first found in the heart, then in the mind, then in the world !


The Word, Letters, Introductions



News, Subscribers, Humor


The word from here:

My own commentary: I have extracted the data from the surveys on our community Yahoo group, we do have our preferences. It all does provide food for thought.

Some conclusions that can be seen from this are that we do want to have some kind of buy/sell/trade relationship with the people who would be our neighbors. We do want to have a connection to water, whether it be on an island, peninsula, or on a coastline. We want to have water or solar sources for our own power. We'd like to do food gathering, farming, fishing, and even raising livestock. By far we prefer woodlands or meadow as a specific environmental niche.

What kind of climate would you want to live in?



















What sorts of things would you want to use the land for?







Raising livestock



Raising feed crops












Utilitarian crops



Fruit bearing trees






Water/solar for alt. power



What land locations would you like?










Land bound w/coast



land bound no coast



High altitude



Low altitude



Would you consider a buy/sell/relationship with the outside world?










An overview of what we'd like:

We want to co-create with others a community in a rural area, grow a portion of our own food, create a profitable cottage industry, and so be self employed. We want keep well the land that we live on and engage in right livelihood. We also want to contribute to the community around us and so benefit our society. Ideally, we would want to be near enough to a town of no more than approximately 50,000 or so, a college community. We could each use our talents, abilities, or professions to provide for ourselves as well as whatever "cottage industry" would be.

Consider yourselves welcome to email us to express your ideas about what our community should be. We are, after all, the persons who will make it up.

I imagine there are a lot of ideas out there and I know that what has been written in this or prior issues are meant as to be a working concept, one that is in progress, and meant to be discussed, even debated.

If you have not been to the Community of Lights web page we now have a listing of communities that are forming. It may be educational to visit some of those sites to see what's new in the community universe See the links at: Commnity of Light

If you would like to leave a telephone message for us, you can, at this voicemail: 415-364-3045 Thanks, Dan and Wendy

Email Address:

New Contacts!

These are the introductions from persons that have written us since the last issue. Please go to Subscriber's Introductions if you would like to see the profiles we have on file currently. Some but not all of these people may have additional information there.



emily kurtz ..........

I also would like to here some ideas about communal living. It is a concept that has interested me since i read "Love, Freedom, and aloneness" by Osho. If are not familiar with his philosophy's I recommend him highly. He said that the commune was the next step in human progress and that raising children in this type of environment would be ideal. I tend to agree. The family setting is very limiting to the mind. But imagine having 15-50 adults living with you to be role would be so well rounded, have so many ideas of what men and women were. I personally think this would be the only way I could imagine having kids. I want to ask you to send me your news letters or whatever else you think you i might be interested in.

thanks again emily


David Dell ..........

 I am a very interested party, with skills to offer; however, not much financially. I believe our current society is on a severe decline due to its rigid, materialistic nature and economy for the rich and powerful. I would love to work with others to build the foundation for a great humanitarian society that protects, engages, and celebrates the individual while working in harmony to support the whole. Please keep me in consideration, as I like what I have read so far from other interested subscribers.


Dave ..........

My name is Dave in Columbia, SC. I am also very interested in forming, or joining a commune. I have studied how to build log cabins, cinder block houses. Also have good knowledge on solar panels, water generators, and medicinal herbs. I also play a lot of Grateful Dead on my acoustic guitar. It would be nice to pen pal with some cool folks soon. Thank you from Dave.

Please put me on your mailing list, love to hear about ideas for forming a sustainable community, thank you from Dave in Columbia, SC


Brett King ..........

My husband and I have been looking for an alternative way of living to escape the materialism we live in, we are both 28 and have a 5 year old girl. We are going this summer to Huehuecoyotl, an ecovillage in Mexico where we will learn permaculture and the basics of communal living. We are willing to sell our house and use the money to relocate and start anew in a community of people who strive to integrate a supportive social environment and live self-sufficiently. I have family in Mexico with sufficient land with springs on it that we could use to build our community. I would like to get more information on your project and to keep in touch.


Kristin Boyett ..........

Although unfortunately, I'm not sure exactly what it is that I am looking for; I am quite clear on what I'm not. I'm tired of spending so much time chasing the dollar that I have no time for myself, friends or energy for my daughter.

I look around my garage/house/life and see so many accumulated things that I don't really need, but can't give up because that is what I am expected to have. I don't think I would miss cable tv and dvds and all the other little extras nearly as much if I had something more in my life.

I am closing in on 32 years old, my husband is soon to be 30 and we have a bright and perceptive 3 1/2 year old daughter. I would like to have more to show for my life to tell her about than an office job and a cookie-cutter suburban house.

I enjoy cooking, sewing, quilting, most other needle crafts, reading, writing, interactive storytelling, I am getting back to gardening, and would love to learn to spin wool into yarn. I have a Master's degree in Library Science, specializing in the restoration of rare books; I am also skilled at book binding and have an intellectual (if not practical) knowledge of paper making.

Letters: Received

I was sent this:

I have a some input about Wilderness Living ! Check this URL:


GlobalCirclenet ..........

Spiritual kinship and brotherly love are features of successful communities, but we need to question whether this is the cause or the result. And how do you get there from here. Traditional communities, village life with extended families, had above all a sense of place and sense of belonging that was not subject to individual whims or philosophical beliefs. Intentional communities today are artificial, not traditional. They did not develop in a certain place out of need as economic survival techniques. Intentional communities today likely need more compelling reasons to hold together than individual beliefs. Religious communities, monasteries etc., hold together by shared religious lifestyle which they cannot practice outside the community. And getting there from here? My current guess is non-religious intentional communities would need families or extended families and friends banded together for simple economic survival, something that eludes millions today in our commercial society - something millions are desperate for. They would need elements of self sufficiency as a community, reduced need for outside income, and a growing sense of belonging and sense of place. They need working models to learn from, and I don't see many. I don't think you start with love. People who have to get along to live learn to get along, one way or another. They are dependent on one another. It doesn't depend on changing human nature. That misguided idealism of the past generation resulted in maybe two communities surviving today. I think of Gaskin's Farm in Tennessee and Mullins' place in North Carolina. But both are organized around a survival lifestyle of self sufficiency and interdependence. It's like they always said, love don't pay the bills.


Owl ..........

Here is a very useful site for planning an intentional community.


From a stranger:

I see a lot of membership fees being bandied about, most of which are too expensive for my family to afford, which is dedicated to the formation of a sustainable, off-grid community.

It has long been my intention to form a community which will be accessible to people of very modest means. This is important to me because most of the people in the group I started are living a home schooling lifestyle, which requires at l one parent to be in the home, rather than earning money.

Families who choose this sort of lifestyle are usually not as solvent as those in which both parents work, and do not have savings to join most of the communities which exist, without saving for years to pay the membership fee. This effectively prevents these families from providing their children with the benefits of community living, and means that the parents can only hope to retire to community after their kids are grown! I believe there are ways to remedy this, and my current concern is brainstorming the possibilities for funding a community project without requiring a financial investment from it's members.

Some of my current ideas include forming a school, like Summerhill, in England, or The Sudbury Valley School in Massachusetts, and using the profits to run the community, getting government (or other) money for reforestation and recycling projects, and starting a camp where folks of all ages can come to learn sustainable living and survival skills. It seems to me there are a lot of bright folks here, and I'll bet some of you have some other ideas that might work for us. Any positive input would be greatly appreciated, and perhaps implemented.

Here are some suggestions depending on your area:

+ Resale clothing shops, used/refurbished/recycled items

+ Work at Home Clothing/Crafts Consignment shop

+ Aquaponics/Greenhouse selling organic food. I've been really interested in the aquaponics technique of growing food

+ Day Care if you are to have children in the community adding a school could be a viable idea.



Natural Resources Defense Council


From: Robert

Fellow BioGems Defender,

Email has proven effective we can all participate, it is rather easy to do. I feel it is the least we can do.

I just wanted to thank you for visiting and taking action against President Bush's plan to open the Arctic Wildlife Refuge to oil development. This on-line campaign, which began with an email message to a few thousand people, has already generated 450,000 letters of protest to Congress. The fight for the Arctic Refuge continues on Capitol Hill, but there's no doubt that we've helped turn the tide against the president's destructive proposal. What a shining example of our collective power to make a difference! We'll keep you posted on the outcome of this important fight for our natural heritage.

In the meantime, if you want to do even more to help save America's last wild places, then please visit

There, you'll learn how the Bush-Cheney energy plan endangers Yellowstone and other unspoiled wild lands of the Rockies -- and how you can help save them.

Thank you Sincerely yours,

Robert Redford Trustee, Natural Resources Defense Council  

Communities Resources

If you want to research intentional communities this is a good place to start.

Communities Magazine comes out regularly and it is a resource for those seeking to explore the life in a commune. The directory that they have is a great primer in understanding the variety of life out in the community universe. You can write them at the address given below. This is their office address.

Communities Magazine, 138 Twin Oaks Road, Louisa VA 23093 USA or call them at: Tel/Fax: 540-894-5126. Their website is at Intentional Communities

You might also find the resources on the Northwest Intentional Communities site to be valuable. There are lists of legal documents, process advice, how to find people, etc. They can be found at:

This is a list of places seeking members, communities forming and the like. I have come across it at the F.I.C.'s website:

It might be a place for some of you to do research and get a good impression of what is available in your area.


We have nearly 75 on our mailing lists!

Email: Dan Brady



My yahoo ID is available for use as a means to chat online. I am willing to schedule a time(s) during a given month where we could chat. I am thinking that a Saturday or Sunday would be the best time overall, however I am open to suggestions. Please advise.


Financial Matters: Location ideas

Ideas for locations:

David Weber ..........

I always thought it was expensive to live in British Columbia,but when I can buy 22 acres on a river in a town like Merrit,(3 hour drive from Vancouver) with a 1400 square foot home for about 170kUS, I guess our property is cheap here. Anyone can find expensive property and anyone can find cheap property it depends on what your looking for. 20 acre parcels for under 30kUS are easy to get in the interior of British Columbia. Though the property is not as glamorous as living in New Zealand it is affordable and available to everyone. Is it not easier to make a community sustainable and viable if all your money isn't going to purchase property!


Kathleen ..........

I just took a drive up highway 395. I got on it at highway 15 in Victorville and drove north to Bridgeport. WOW there is some great country in that valley in between those wonderful snow covered mountains. there are lakes and rivers and hot springs bubbling up EVERYWHERE! I would suggest that area. This is in California, highway 395 runs from Victorville Ca in the south up to Reno/Lake Tahoe area in the north.


Mike Mikesell ..........

I will again recommend North West Ark.

We have the water needed. We have the ground for growing. We have the hills for protection. trees for source of energy. for earth changes, this is supposed to be a safe place. We are close enough to the college town of Fayetteville, and that complex, yet far enough to be private. Mile long county maintained road, and we are the only people on the road. It stops at the property, high energy area, cheap taxes,survivable, good weather: four seasons, but as far south as you go and get four seasons. Plenty of wild life such as deer, wild turkey, etc. Have some buildings already for R @ D and work on equipment, good neighbors, etc. We are already in the process of getting things ready. however need those who are supposed to be here



Older Than Dirt Quiz: Count all the ones that you remember not the ones you were told about! Ratings at the bottom.

1. Blackjack chewing gum
2. Wax Coke-shaped bottles with colored sugar water
3. Candy cigarettes
4. Soda pop machines that dispensed bottles
5. Coffee shops with table side jukeboxes
6. Home milk delivery in glass bottles with cardboard stoppers
7. Party lines
8. Newsreels before the movie
9. P.F. Flyers
10. Butch wax
11. Telephone numbers with a word prefix (Olive-6933)
12. Peashooters
13. Howdy Doody
14. 45 RPM records
15. S&H Green Stamps
16. Hi-fi's
17. Metal ice trays with lever
18. Mimeograph paper
19. Blue flashbulb
20. Packards
21. Roller skate keys
22. Cork popguns
23. Drive-ins
24. Studebakers
25. Wash tub wringers
If you remembered 0-5 = You're still young
If you remembered 6-10 = You are getting older
If you remembered 11-15 = Don't tell your age,
If you remembered 16-25 = You're older than dirt!



Life, Beer, and Everything Else....

A philosophy Professor stood before his class and had some items in front of him. When the class began, wordlessly he picked up a very large and empty mayonnaise jar and proceeded to fill it with rocks, rocks about 2" in diameter. He then asked the students if the jar was full? They agreed that it was. So the professor then picked up a box of pebbles and poured them into the jar. He shook the jar lightly. The pebbles, of course, rolled into the open areas between the rocks.

He then asked the students again if the jar was full. They agreed it was. The professor picked up a box of sand and poured it into the jar. Of course, the sand filled up everything else.

He then asked once more if the jar was full. The students responded with a unanimous -- yes.

The professor then produced two cans of beer from under the table and proceeded to pour their entire contents into the jar effectively filling the empty space between the sand. The students laughed.

"Now," said the professor, as the laughter subsided, "I want you to recognize that this jar represents your life. The rocks are the important things - your family, your partner, your health, and your children--things that if everything else was lost and only they remained, your life would still be full. The pebbles are the other things that matter like your job, your house, and your car. The sand is everything else. The small stuff."

"If you put the sand into the jar first," he continued, "there is no room for the pebbles or the rocks. The same goes for your life. If you spend all your time and energy on the small stuff, you will never have room for the things that are important to you. Pay attention to the things that are critical to your happiness. Play with your children. Take time to get medical checkups. Take your partner out dancing. There will always be time to go to work, clean the house, give a dinner party and fix the disposal. "Take care of the rocks first -- the things that really matter. Set your Priorities. The rest is just sand."

One of the students raised her hand and inquired what the beer represented. The professor smiled. "I'm glad you asked. It just goes to show you that no matter how full your life may seem, there's always room for a couple of beers."


Words of Wisdom:

His name was Fleming, and he was a poor Scottish farmer. One day, while trying to make a living for his family, he heard a cry for help coming from a nearby bog. He dropped his tools and ran to the bog. There, mired to his waist in black muck, was a terrified boy, screaming and struggling to free himself.

Farmer Fleming saved the lad from what could have been a slow and terrifying death.

The next day, a fancy carriage pulled up to the Scotsman's sparse surroundings. An elegantly dressed nobleman stepped out and introduced himself as the father of the boy Farmer Fleming had saved.

"I want to repay you," said the nobleman.

"You saved my son's life."

"No, I can't accept payment for what I did," the Scottish farmer replied, waving off the offer

At that moment, the farmer's own son came to the door of the family hovel. "Is that your son?" the nobleman asked.

"Yes," the farmer replied proudly.

"I'll make you a deal. Let me provide him with the level of education my son will enjoy. If the lad is anything like his father, he'll no doubt grow to be a man we both will be proud of."

And that he did. Farmer Fleming's son attended the very best schools and in time, he graduated from St. Mary's Hospital Medical School in London, and went on to become known throughout the world as the noted Sir Alexander Fleming, the discoverer of Penicillin. Years afterward, the same nobleman's son who was saved from the bog was stricken with pneumonia. What saved his life this time? Penicillin. The name of the nobleman? Lord Randolph Churchill. His son's name? Sir Winston Churchill.

Someone once said: What goes around comes around.

Work like you don't need the money.

Love like you've never been hurt.

Dance like nobody's watching.

Sing like nobody's listening.

Live like it's Heaven on Earth.